“Carol… Ah yes, Brandish.   Well, I suspect either Dragon was manipulating you, or your father was manipulating Dragon in an effort to get a message to you.”

Hm, perhaps. But why? So Amy would know who her dad was?

“A message.”

“That he’s there, that he exists.  Perhaps he sought to ensure he wasn’t forgotten by his child.  He was an old-fashioned individual, so it makes sense that he’d seek immortality through his progeny.”

Fair enough.

Bonesaw piped up.  “That’s stupid.  Why do something like that when someone like me could make you immortal for real?”

I mean, he is stuck in the Birdcage for the foreseeable future.

I’m still not sure he’ll be there forever, but I’ve become less adamant about that whole theory with time.

“Shush, now.  Finish sewing yourself up while Amelia and I talk.”

“Okay,” Bonesaw said.  Her voice overlapped with Panacea saying, “Stop saying that.  It’s not my name.”

I don’t think that’s helping, Amy.

“Isn’t it?”

It’s no more her name than yours is Bob, if she doesn’t want it to be.

There was another silence.

“You’re your father’s daughter.  Both of you are bound up in rules you’ve imposed on yourselves.  His rules defined his demeanor, the boundaries he worked within, the goals he sought to achieve and how he achieved them.  They were his armor as much as his power was.  I would guess your rules are your weakness.

This is coming from a man who is very much Chaotic Evil.

Rather than focus you, they leave you in free fall, nothing to grasp on to except your sister there, and we both know how that has turned out.”

I suppose they would know about that mess. The Nine had Cherish around for a while after their falling out.

Sister.  I made a mental note of that.  There were four people in that room.

Yep. I’m not entirely convinced Victoria, even in her diminished state, isn’t going to get a good punch in before this is over. But against whom? Bonesaw would be my first guess.

“I don’t really want to know.”

“I’m going to tell you.  And I have another motive, but I’ll get to that in a moment.  Marquis was a man of honor.

I can’t imagine Amy likes how similar this is to what Lisa threatened her with all the way back in Agitation.

He decided on the rules he would play by and he stuck to them.  He put his life and limb at risk to try to keep me from killing women and children, and I decided to see if I could use that to break him.  I admit I failed.”

Marquis is a pretty decent depiction of Lawful Evil. That doesn’t necessarily mean he followed society’s laws, but he followed his own.

Also this sounds like Jack went out of his way to kill as many women and children as he could.

“He killed Allfather’s daughter.”

“No, Amelia, he didn’t.”

There was a pause.

“Did you kill her?”

“No, Amelia, I am Allfather’s daughter!”

I feel like this would’ve hit harder if more had come of the threat against Amy’s life from the Empire. I suppose it did result in her finding out who her father was, though.

But if Marquis didn’t kill Allfather’s daughter, why did he tell Lung that he did? Was he tricked into thinking he did? Or maybe he’s like Taylor and thought that being unable to keep Jack from doing it was roughly as bad as doing it himself?

There’s another option here for what Jack is getting at, but I highly doubt that’s the case, since everything we know is stacked against it: Amy is Allfather’s daughter. Marquis kidnapped her, and lied to Lung about the teenaged daughter of Allfather threat against Amy for some coddamn reason.

“No.  What I’m saying is that Marquis would not have killed the girl, even under duress; that was one of the rules he set for himself.  If he was going to violate that rule, he would have done it when I’d tried to break him.”

Ahh, I see, so trying to break him involved putting him in situations where the only easy solution would involve killing girls.

Incidentally, I like how this is something I could’ve figured out when the way Marquis was caught was introduced, if I’d just put two and two together and questioned why Marquis would kill a girl just for being annoying if he was so against it that he got caught by dropping an all-female team on him.

“Allfather put a contract on my head before he died, because of what Marquis did.  Because- It’s how I found out he was my dad.

I WAS KIDDING

Wait, which “he”?

Jack’s power doesn’t fit with Marquis, so I guess he’s not saying he’s Amy’s brother. But then that would mean Allfather put a contract on his son’s head…

*rereads this quote a couple times*

I guess Jack’s power might have come from his mother’s side. Because the best I can figure here is that Marquis claimed responsibility for the murder to protect his son, Jack, which led to Allfather scheduling an assassination on Amy (which Marquis knew about) and, after Marquis got arrested, putting a bounty on Jack once he figured out what had actually happened.

A letter from Dragon to Carol.”

Oh, or I forgot to switch who was talking in my head. That works too. Scratch everything I just said, I guess.

That would be a pretty cool AU, though.

“Guys and girls aren’t that different.”

“Aren’t we?  Look at our group.  Regent and I are going on the offensive.  I’ve got Aisha and I making constant, coordinated attacks against enemies in my territory, terrorizing groups with attacks from the cover of my darkness, or from someone they can’t even remember fighting.

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Regent’s got a squad of Coil’s soldiers with him, and he’s tracking and kidnapping the leaders of enemy groups and gangs, using his power to control them and then having them sabotage their own operations, or start fights with other groups that leave both almost totally wiped out.  Then he cleans up the mess.”

Ohh, so that’s how he got those people he had in Interlude 11g! Maybe.

“And us girls?”

“Lisa’s running the shelter, and she says she’s doing it to get more info, but I think she doesn’t mind how it connects her to the community there, either.  You, too, are almost nurturing in how you’re treating the people in your territory.

Yeah, I suppose that’s true.

And Rachel you could argue doesn’t count because she’s Rachel.

Or, hell, you could even claim she’s nurturing too, but to her dogs.

And you’re acting like you’re getting that aspiring superhero thing out of your system.  Or entrenched deeper into it.  I can’t tell.”

It really could go either way right now, but I think it’s closer to the latter. I do think Taylor is striking a sort of balance these days – she’s unapologetically on the villains’ side, but her main objective in everything she does is still helping. She’s a villain on one axis but a hero on the other, and I think most people would say the latter is the one that counts.

Bitch looked around the empty, flooded streets as Siberian was doing.  She didn’t answer.

Is the mention of the streets being empty perhaps supposed to be a metaphor for Rachel’s life in the territory being empty in a different way?

Maybe I’m overthinking, though.

“Maybe you can be happy like this.  A dog, collar around your neck, a fenced in territory.  You’ll never really understand what they’re all talking about.  The best you can hope for is a pat on the head when you’re good, when you do as you should, maybe some companionship whenever you’re a good girl.

Do you want to be a dog, or a wolf?

But maybe that’s what you want.” 

To be fair, in Brutus’ Interlude, the dogs seemed quite genuinely pleased with being good boys and good girl.

That probably doesn’t quite apply to Rachel, though.

“As opposed to what?”

“Being wild.  Being free.  Truly free.  It’s exhilarating,” Siberian breathed.

“Drop those human morals and laws. Do what you want with no care for others. Take the step from chaotic neutral to more-chaotic evil.”

“I-” she started.  She stopped when I raised one hand.

“Don’t say anything until I explain it.  I’ll forget what I want to say if I get distracted.  You’re going to work for me.

😀

And every doubt and possibility that just made you tense up at that idea?  It’s not going to happen.  You’ll be safe.  Safer than you were before.  You won’t have to do anything illegal unless you’re willing.”

Sounds great!

“I’d still be helping you, I’d be helping a criminal, indirectly.”

That is true. Maybe it’s worth telling Charlotte about your methods and goals?

“You would.  But I think you’d be surprised at my approach.  I’m not looking to hurt innocents.  I’m not pushing hard drugs, I’m not demanding protection money.”

“Then what are you doing?”

Much the same thing the heroes are supposed to do, but in illegal ways. Chaotic good in a nutshell.

“We should help her,” I growled the words, “I won’t fucking sleep tonight if I walk away from this.”

Taylor is a damn good character to put in her story role of “torn between heroism and villainy” because of how strongly she has the capacity for both.

On one hand, she’s good-hearted and definitely has a heroic attitude towards saving innocents, a tendency to take it upon herself to keep everyone else from harm’s way and an unhealthily strong guilt when she can’t, even if it’s not really something she’s responsible for in the first place.

On another hand, she also has a penchant for rebelliousness and can be quite inventively cruel when it serves her needs, which she’s pretty good at convincing herself is fine, and her power is well suited for villainy.

In short, she’s an amazing representation of chaotic good in a nominally villainous role.

Why did that line of thinking sound so familiar?

…hm. ABB… Bakuda. This was a large part of her reason for her attack on the Undersiders, wasn’t it?

It dawned on me: Bakuda.  She’d said something similar when she’d been doing her monologue and pretending to be the new leader of the ABB.

Bingo.

Well, that was disquieting.

Still, my reasons were different.

Different alignments, different deeper goals, but on a more shallow level you are absolutely doing similar things for the same reason: Attacking someone to maintain control of a territory by intimidating your other enemies.

I wanted to protect my people.  Bakuda hadn’t been motivated by an interest in anyone but herself.

But yes, this contrast is an excellent showcase of chaotic good versus chaotic evil.

“This is different from ignoring starving kids in a third world country or ignoring some homeless guy on the street,” I told him, “You’ve seen Dinah in person, you’ve looked her in the eye.  You’re already involved, you’ve played a role in her situation.”

Doesn’t mean she necessarily falls into his category of “people to care about”.

“I’m not saying I like it, I am definitely less sure I want to work with Coil, now, but I’m saying it’s something that we should discuss and come to a consensus on.”

Working with Coil would help facilitate more harm of a similar kind, and there’s a difference between not being willing to help someone who is already being hurt and being willing to allow more people to be hurt.

I looked at the others, “You feel the same way?”

Bitch gave me an annoyed look.  Okay, I wasn’t expecting an ally there.

There’s a reason I split the non-Taylor Undersiders between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral. None of them are evil, but none of them strike me as Lawful or Good either. (If anyone is, it’s Tattle, being Chaotic Good along with Taylor.)

Hmm… Actually, despite me having suggested he’s on the same page as Grue alignment-wise, Alec might be an ally here. He might see himself in Dinah – forced to work for big-name villains at a young age, without familial comfort (no, Heartbreaker and his concubines do not constitute “family” from what we’ve heard) – and decide he’s with Taylor on this one.

Tattle is likely to be on her side, too. Besides Taylor, she’s the one showing the most visceral and guilt-ridden reaction to this.

“If it comes down to it?  Yeah.”

I stared at him.

“I’m being practical, Taylor,”

He’s being neutral.

Grue lapsed into using my real name, “People are suffering all around the world.  We ignore what’s happening elsewhere every second of every day, focusing only on our country, our city, our neighborhood, or on the people we see daily.  

He does have a point.

We only really care about the pain and unhappiness of our loved ones, our friends and families, because we couldn’t stay sane if we tried to support and save everyone.  

Spoken like a true True Neutral character.

Nobody could try to do anything like that, except maybe Scion.

Oh hey, long time no hear-about!

I’m applying that concept to a smaller scale.  My family and my team, they take priority, and they take priority in that order.  If I have to choose one way or the other, I’m going to take the option that includes Aisha and you guys.”

Not gonna lie, I feel like every single word that just came out of Grue’s mouth validated my view of his alignment from the last post.

I had a suspicion he got her to cooperate with some sort of incentive.  Figure out she’s unhappy at home, give her a place to stay and some sort of bribe.

Well… technically that is what he did. Though as it turns out, that bribe happened to be “candy”.

Either way, it’s more fitting with his methods to date, and it would have been short term or more benign.  Not so bad.”

Yeah, it does fit into his MO, if we compare with how Coil gets others to work for him.

“Kind of off there,” I said, bitterly.

“I’m aware,” Tattletale answered, with just as much emotion in her voice.  “I don’t like it either.

Yeeah, me neither.

He’s been around me enough, communicated with me enough, to have an idea of stuff that I won’t necessarily know or think to look for.

Filing this under evidence that Tattle’s Knowledge needs to be at least somewhat consciously targeted.

I didn’t even know she had powers, or how Coil would have found this out or found her.  This is out of character for him.  Ruthless, power hungry.”

I mean we knew he wanted power. That was a whole spiel he had back when he laid out his master plan. He’s power hungry, just relatively realistic about how much power he can maintain and thrive with.

The ruthlessness is more camouflaged.

“If it bothers you that much, tell him to fuck off,” Bitch cut in, sounding irritated.

“It’s more complicated than that,” I said.  “We can’t just walk away and leave her like that.”

Ooooh.

Is this headed towards the Undersiders not only terminating their agreement with Coil but actively going up against him to free Dinah?

Because I really don’t think he’s gonna give her up through negotiations.

“And some of us are kind of relying on Coil for some major stuff,” Grue spoke.  “Some of us have people we can’t leave behind.”

Ahh, right, Coil was helping Grue with the whole Aisha situation, among other things funneling part of his income through a seemingly legal employer.

I looked at him, surprised, “I don’t want to say your sister isn’t important, but… are you really willing to let Dinah stay in captivity, just for Aisha?”

…yes. I think Grue might be willing to do that.

In D&D terms, Grue strikes me as a True Neutral character, whereas Taylor is Chaotic Good. Sometimes the differences between their alignments on the axis of morality causes conflicts between them – Grue is sometimes inclined to not do the “Good” thing in favor of what keeps him and those closest to him safe, whereas Taylor has the heroic (”Good”) instinct to not only harm others as little as possible, but also put herself in harm’s way if it can protect innocent people.

As for the remaining Undersiders, Bitch is the only one I’m decently sure about, but she and Tattle both seem to be Chaotic Neutral (or Chaotic Dog and Chaotic Fun respectively). Regent might be True Neutral along with Grue.