Yeah that’s an arabian peninsula slur. seen it more than enough times after 2001.

“sandn*****” is an ancient slur that I haven’t seen in a while that cracks me up everytime because it is just so silly and so exclusive to the internet. But yes, it is aimed mainly at a person of Middle Eastern or North African descent, muslims in general but I have seen it being used to people from India as well. You get the idea.

Well… at least it’s descriptive enough to intuit the meaning of at first sight, I guess. Not all slurs have that going for them.

Hookwolf, like all Nazis, is enough of an idiot that the only thing I’d probably take from his slur is “Shatterbird probably isn’t white”.

Eh, fair enough, though I’m not sure I’d call Hookwolf an idiot. He actually seems like a pretty smart guy underneath the brutish exterior, apart from his awful racial views.

I can’t tell if that smiley face means your joking or not when you called the artificial larynx a piece of tinker tech. Cause it’s really not.

An artificial larynx isn’t tinkertech; it’s a real-world piece of used for people who have had their normal larynx badly damaged, usually by throat cancer or major traumatic injury.

Artificial larynxes are not tinkertech, they’re a real thing. Listening to someone with one will give you a good read on Cricket’s voice, I think.

Oh, really? That’s awesome!

Honestly, I feel like that strengthens my point, even if it means this wasn’t really an example of it. If our mundane technology can already do things like this, imagine how helpful tinkertech accessibility devices can be for those who need them!

Siberian’s taken on the entire Triumvirate numerous times, as we learned in 10.06. Hookwolf probably knows enough about how she handles Alexandria to know she could hurt him.

Hm, yeah, makes sense.

Shatterbird killing the Chosen is actually the second instance of the Nine killing someone onscreen. The Siberian poked a dude in the brain, remember?

“…actually, this is the first instance we have of one of the Fellowship members actually killing someone in these Interludes, other than them talking about having killed.” Siberian killed the guy that Bitch set her dogs on back in 11a. Or at least, we saw her sticking her fingers in his brain, presumably he didn’t survive that.

Oh yeah! Pretty silly that I should forget about that considering the way Shatterbird killed some of them directly reminding me of the discussion about what Siberian did at the time.

I guess I failed to count Siberian killing the guy because I didn’t immediately realize that was what she did when I read Interlude 11a, and had to have you guys point it out for me that it was lethal.

I kinda suspect that if the chapter had been from someone else’s perspective, Hookwolf wouldn’t seem so competent.

Hmm, possibly. He did seem like he knew what he was doing, and his actions seemed fairly reasonable for the most part, but POV bias is a thing and it can be quite powerful with characters like him.

I love the “hey maybe Hookwolf could have considered being a teacher” comment, as far as I know that’s the first time anyone has said that. And In my opinion it kinda highlight the fact that hey, all these horrible people maybe if they had different circumstances and their heads hadn’t been filled with hate and evil then maybe they could have been alright human beings instead. Except maybe Kaiser. Fuck you Max.

I know, right? I wonder what happened to some of these characters’ counterparts – assuming that’s a thing in this multiverse – in Earth-Aleph.

Maybe Lung runs an Asian restaurant (I actually really like the idea of Lung enjoying cooking), Coil is running for mayor legally, Max is getting punched in the face on national TV, Amy is living happily with her biological father, and Colin… Colin doesn’t have a Canadian girlfriend.

Kaiser was a manioulator, using an ideology of hate to control and motivate his troops. Purity has denied being a racist, though given her actions that’s up for debate, but in any case she’s more biased than motivated by it. Hookwolf though… Hookwolf is a true believer in the ideology: he’s lumping all aryans together because from his point of view they should all be sticking together. Just like the Nazis invaded nordic countries “to protect them”, to do otherwise would oppose their worldview.

Yeah… It’s good character writing, and the fact that it rubbed me the wrong way in such a personal way only serves to reinforce that.

One thing of note is that there were points (especially when Shatterbird questioned his motivations) where I questioned whether Hookwolf was actually a Nazi, even after that and the comments about Leah’s hair. The reason for that was that there was less of this sort of thing than one might expect, and in retrospect, that too is excellent writing. Most Nazis aren’t just going to be actively thinking shitty stuff constantly – it’s a part of their worldview, thoughts that are normalized to them, not something they have to keep reminding themselves of every two seconds.

Wildbow is skilled at writing shitty people as people, rather than caricatures, which is why the POV bias is so insidious and effective with characters like Hookwolf. This can cause the readers to find themselves involuntarily sympathizing with people who they intellectually know are shitty – or at least have shitty sides – which sets them thinking. Thinking about humanity, about flaws, backgrounds, how these worldviews and behaviors happen, etcetera.

It’s a good thing Interludes are becoming more common, because it lets Wildbow do things like this more often.

Not sure how you’d interpret this in light of the rest of the interlude, but I’d guess Hookwolf would place ‘His mundane subordinates using guns’ as entirely in line with his ‘power’ theme.

Heh, I suppose if you put the quotes right there, that’s true.

When I said that, though, I meant “power theme” as in the theme of his power, which I was thinking of as “bladed weapons”. :p