Huh, I was picturing Regent more, like, drawing the letters with his finger in the bugs.

That would work too, and it’s possible you’re right, but it’d be way slower than a swipe-enabled bug keyboard.

Then again, the latter also requires more thought on Taylor’s part to interpret the swipes.

I’ve seen some really interesting fan speculation that Brian’s version of the Siberian was based on his dad, and Taylor just didn’t recognize that because he resembles his dad. She did note that it looked a bit different aside from just being monochrome’d.

Ooh, that’s an interesting idea. I’m not sure why it’d go specifically for his dad, but it’s not like the power had the loss-related trigger event to work with.

I suppose it’s possible the power gives the wielder subconscious control over who it looks like and Brian’s brain wanted someone he associated with strength.

The best name for villain Amy I’ve heard is Pandemic.

Oh fuck yes, that’s awesome. 😀

It’s just a really cool word in its own right and it ties in very nicely with her hero name through “Pan”.

Re: the song idea, it’s something I’ve been thinking about just a little bit (only enough to come up with the details I gave you). It’s not *intended* as a shipping song, so much as a song about all her problems and hopes, and how she’s been resting them on one person who may not actually live up to Amy’s image of her.

Ah, I see. I like what you’ve got so far, so I think you might have a pretty good fansong on your hands if you keep it up. 🙂

(And yeah, Victoria’s a bit of a dick at times, and quite rash.)

You giving a shoutout to Quow was apparently just the little push they needed to restart their liveblog after some of the problem they’d been having got solved. So… thanks for that, Pact is a personnal favorite and it doesn’t get enough love.

Huh, neat! I’m glad I found them when I did, then. 🙂

Shark’s comment made me doubt myself so I went to check. “Doing the wrong things for the right reasons” appear in Wildbow’s about page on the parahuman site, and when you go on topwebfiction the mouseover text on the link of Worm says “Worm: Doing the Wrong Things for the Right Reasons”.

This is the official Worm banner on TopWebFiction, a rating of inline fiction dominated by Wildbow’s works. Vote for it if you like it! Anyway, this is where “doing wrong things for the right reasons” come from

Nice!

That’s a pretty cool piece of Taylor art, too!

Anyways, if it’s not too much trouble /too personal, can we see this philosophical discord? Would love to discuss these kinds of morality questions.

Okay, so I asked the owner of the server – technically known as flopside, but everyone calls it altgen – if it was okay, and I got the go-ahead.

Here are some things to note, though:

  • Altgen is a spinoff from @loreweaver-universe​‘s Discord server, though it has established itself as more of its own thing at this point. As a result, it is closely tied to the Discord liveblogging supercommunity and has multiple livebloggers frequenting it, meaning spoilers for certain things need to be handled with care (most notably Worm, Ward, Steven Universe, Madoka Magica, Wander Over Yonder, Rick and Morty, Camp Camp, My Hero Academia, Adventure Time and Little Witch Academia). There is a channel called #altspoil, which can be used to contain content that is spoilery to one or more of the local livebloggers, myself included.
  • It’s not exclusively a philosophy server. That’s just one of the channels. Altgen, more broadly, is for chill and civil discussion of certain topics that are not allowed on the regular liveblogger servers, such as serious news, politics, religion and NSFW content. And yes, that last thing does mean there are porn channels, though they are manually age-gated. There’s even #spoilporn, where your filthiest, most spoilery Alexandria porn is safe from my innocent gaze.
  • I’ve limited the invite below to 25 uses, just to be safe in case this post winds up in the wrong places. I doubt those are all going to be used up by you guys anytime soon, but if that happens, feel free to let me know and I might make a new one.
  • Please do not join just to talk about Worm with me directly. There are reasons I don’t have a Discord server of my own (I prefer to have all my Worm talk screened and visible on the blog, among other things), and I don’t want that to get taken out on other servers I’m in.
  • I’ve said a lot here, but seriously… We’re chill, I promise.

With all that said, here’s the link! Welcome!

How do you think Taylor will react to what Amy did to Victoria, New Wave or the other Undersiders(We somewhat saw Lisa’s reaction)? And what do you think would be a fair punishment? There are Heartbreaker and Canary as contrast, we saw the Trial and the Birdcage, but also know her mitigating circumstances. What would be reasonable and what do you think will likely happen?

I think it depends a lot on how they find out, but I think when she has the full story including Amy’s POV, Taylor may be conflicted but I don’t think she’d be too hard on Amy for it.

New Wave might already know. Judging by her behavior when she came across Amy in public, I don’t think Victoria cares if people find out they’ve had a falling-out, and from there it’s not a long way to questions about why. Also, their parents would want to know why Victoria didn’t bring Amy home, though Victoria could’ve just lied and said she couldn’t find her, or that Amy refused to come back because she didn’t want to put the rest of them at risk of Bonesaw. In short, though, I think there’s a good chance Victoria told her parents what Amy did. Their reactions would be shaped by that perspective, although I suspect Flashbang is giving Amy some benefit of the doubt.

Among the Undersiders, besides Taylor, the only one whose reaction I’m really interested in is Alec, because as you say, this is comparable to Heartbreaker. However, Alec isn’t exactly much for big reactions, even (or maybe especially) to these things. If he started a liveblog of reaction video channel, I’d probably drop it fairly quickly.

As for punishment, I don’t think Amy deserves any. Even less so than Paige. At least with Paige, there was an argument to be made for carelessness, but with Amy, there are so many more mitigating circumstances. She was heavily compromised, and her personal space was violated in a way she had warned Victoria against repeatedly. It was an accident that she was actively trying to prevent. She’s no more responsible than the people who take care of a natural sightseeing spot are for tourists that fall off cliffs because they ignore warning signs and cross safety fences. Less so, even.

(Fun fact: There are such spots in Norway that don’t have fences because some tourists are more likely to go too close to the edge of a cliff when there’s a fence in their way.)

I’d argue that, fundamentally, Tattletale isn’t a bad person, she is someone being held at gunpoint, who’s only real weapon when cornered is digging into people’s psyche for their own problems. Would Amy have done the same thing if Tattletale hadn’t brought that up? Maybe, maybe she would. It wouldn’t change the fact that their family is still fucked up and needs some therapy, and that, as well as Amy’s listlessness with her powers, probably contributed significantly. Tats is still mean, though.

I certainly don’t think Lisa is anywhere near as responsible for these things as Amy thinks. I mean, sure, Lisa’s been known to mess with people’s heads, but ultimately all she did was remind Lisa of the potential for her secrets to come out and mess things up. Then Amy went through a lot of stress because of Leviathan and her dad and Gallant and Bonesaw and Mannequin and Siberian and… you get the point. I think Lisa is for the most part a scapegoat for Amy’s stress, even if Amy doesn’t realize it.

Yeah, it was a dick move on Lisa’s part, but not much more than you’d expect during a confrontation between hero and villain. Hell, Amy herself said some really mean things during that confrontation, too.

Worm is officially subtitled “Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons” which while close isn’t exactly the same as “the road to hell is paved with good intentions" 

Sharks: (I don’t actually know if it’s official.)

Ah, yeah, that also sounds quite applicable to… actually, not just Taylor’s story. A lot of characters’ stories.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons also comes up sometimes.